What’s next? Secession? (I hope!)

Updated Saturday, February 21, 2009 (see below)

Red-state and especially Southern Repugnican (that’s pretty redundant…) governors are at least considering to refuse some of the funds that would be offered to their states as a result of the economic stimulus package that was democratically passed by the U.S. Congress.

Reports Politico today:

Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal announced [today] that he will decline stimulus money specifically targeted at expanding state unemployment insurance coverage, becoming the first state executive to officially refuse any part of the federal government’s payout to states.

In a statement, Jindal, who is slated to give the Republican response to President Barack Obama’s message to Congress on Tuesday, expressed concern that expanding unemployment insurance coverage would lead to increased unemployment insurance taxes later on.

“The federal money in this bill will run out in less than three years for this benefit and our businesses would then be stuck paying the bill,” Jindal said. “We must be careful and thoughtful as we examine all the strings attached to the funding in this package. We cannot grow government in an unsustainable way.”

Jindal is one of a small group of Republican governors, which includes South Carolina’s Mark Sanford and Mississippi’s Haley Barbour, who have said they might refuse some or all of the stimulus money targeted to their states.

In an interview [today], Barbour said he, too, would likely decline funds for broadening access to unemployment insurance.

“Subject to learning more, my position is that Mississippi won’t accept funds that require us to have a tax increase later, because [they would force] us to change our rules for qualifying for unemployment compensation,” he said.

It is not clear which, if any, other parts of the stimulus funding Republican governors will decline. But initial suggestions that anti-stimulus governors might decline all the funds targeted for their states have faded.

Joel Sawyer, Sanford’s communications director, said the South Carolina governor was still reviewing his options with respect to the stimulus.

“We haven’t made any decisions on any part of the stimulus yet,” Sawyer said.

Gee, maybe the blue states should have refused the Bush regime’s orders to send their National Guard personnel to the Vietraq War, because that certainly wasn’t in the blue states’ best interests.

There are a whole host of things on which the blue states, for good reasons, could have and should have bucked the Bush regime — but did not.

So who in the fuck are these red states to refuse to be a part of the United States?

And why didn’t these Repugnican governors have any problem with billions and billions of American taxpayers’ dollars going to the war profiteers, such as Dick Cheney’s Halliburton, via the unelected Bush regime’s Vietraq War? They don’t want to help the unemployed, but they’ll wholeheartedly support bogus wars that result in the plundering of the U.S. Treasury by the war profiteers and result in the unnecessary deaths of thousands of U.S. military personnel (not to mention the unnecessary deaths of thousands upon thousands of innocent civilians).

The Repugnicans actually have no problem whatsofuckingever with high federal government spending, as evidenced by the fact that under the unelected Bush regime the federal budget deficit grew to an all-time high.

The Repugnicans just don’t want the federal government to spend any money in any way that actually benefits the common American — instead of giving the American taxpayers’ money away to war profiteers and other crooked Repugnican cronies.

How about the red states that have a problem with the fact that the majority of Americans democratically elected a black man as president just go ahead and secede from the union now?

We don’t need them anyway — more federal tax dollars go to the dumbfuck red states than the red states return to the U.S. Treasury. The red states are welfare states anyway, so it’s rather ironic that their governors would refuse any portion of the funds from the economic stimulus package.

While I long have thought that a second civil war to polish off the red states, which only drag down the entire nation, sure would be nice, we can avoid the bloodshed and just let the ignoramuses secede. 

Hell, we can even build walls dividing the treasonous red states from the blue states.

Why do we blue-staters continue to kiss red-state ass?

Why do we continue to tolerate the red-staters and the Repugnicans telling us that our not blindly supporting their unelected mass-murdering dictator, George W. Bush, amounted to treason on our part, yet here are the very same red-staters and Repugnicans refusing to cooperate with our president who actually was democratically elected?

Red states, please, please, please secede and see how long you make it on your own. And, my fellow blue-staters, let’s let them secede this time.

Updated (Saturday, February 21, 2009):

California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, a Repugnican who has to be a moderate in order to survive politically in the very blue state of California, jokes(?) that he’ll be happy to accept for California any of the economic stimulus funds that other states’ Repugnican governors refuse. Reports Politico today:

Fresh off a grueling budget battle in his state, California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger said [today] that if fellow Republican governors threatening to turn down stimulus funds follow through on their pledge, he’d be happy to have their share.

“Everyone has their own way of thinking,” Schwarzenegger said of those governors in an interview with Politico at the National Governors Association‘s annual meeting. “I just hope they give me their funding.”

Schwarzenegger supports President Barack Obama‘s $778 billion stimulus, but four Republican governors have said they may reject some of the stimulus funds….

I don’t expect the red-state governors actually to refuse much, if any, of the stimulus funds. I think that for political gain they just want to look like they’re rejecting the “socialism” of the economic stimulus package, when, in fact, as I noted, their states are welfare states supported by the blue states anyway, so I anticipate that they’ll take the free money from the blue states, as they always have.

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  1. B9

    “While I long have thought that a second civil war to polish off the red states” …. Nice, coming from a rep of the party of peace.

    No civil war is necessary though.

    A thought on secession: Based on the writings of Jefferson and Madison, if the Federal government fails to obey the Constitution then it has effectively negated itself and dissolved the union formed by that document. If the general government nullifies the Constitution, how do you withdraw from something which does not exist?

    Those who would want to stay behind and remain part of then what would be something other than a representative republic would be more than welcome to stay behind. But when you come crying for help, and you would, remember your words above. Brother.

  2. robertdcrook

    You are a new reader or you would know that I love hyperbole. Do I really advocate mass murder, like the Bushies do, even mass murder of the red-staters? No. (I am quite serious, however, that I would be perfectly fine if the red-state dipshits should leave the Union and stop being such a drain on the rest of us.)

    It’s an indisputable fact that whenever there is a duly elected Democrat in the White House, the Repugnicans oppose everything the he says and does; and that when there is a Repugnican in the White House, even an unelected one, like there was last time, he can get away with treason and with mass murder, as the last Repugnican did, and should anyone oppose the felonious Repugnican president, the Repugnicans assert that he or she is a traitor because he or she is disagreeing with the president and disagreeing with the president is tantamount to treason.

    You imply that the Obama administration has acted unconstitutionally. Please explain how this is so. The Bush regime certainly violated the U.S. Constitution right and left, and started doing so from the get-go by stealing the presidential election of 2000.

    I don’t see anything at all, except perhaps some material goods that we blue-staters probably could get somewhere else, that the red-staters contribute to my blue-state life.

    No, from the red-staters I get my equal human and civil rights as a gay man trampled upon and from the red-staters I get to have my nation made a global laughing stock because the red-staters still believe that the world is flat and they hate the fact that their president is — gasp! — a black man!

    Please, please, PLEASE enlighten me as to what all of these wonderful red-state contributions to the nation are. I’m all ears.

    If you are implying that the Obama administration is going to wreck the economy, let me remind you of simple, rather recent American history: under Repugnican George Bush I, the economy tanked and there was a record federal budget deficit. Under Democrat Bill Clinton, the economy blossomed and there was a federal budget surplus. The federal budget surplus that George Bush II inherited from Bill Clinton? He turned that into another record federal budget deficit and he wrecked the national economy, just like his daddy did. So DON’T fucking tell me that the Repugnicans, who tank the nation’s economy every time they get their greedy fucking grubbies on it, are the ones to fix it now!

    Finally, you assume that I identify as a Democrat. Actually, on November 4, 2008, my choices were down to independent candidate Ralph Nader or to Democrat Barack Obama for U.S. president. I went ahead and voted for Obama, since it was clear that he was going to win all of California’s electoral votes anyway. However, if I could it over, I probably would have cast my vote for Nader. I’m Green at heart. It’s just that the reality is that in our duopolistic political system, the Democrats are the much lesser of two evils.

  3. B9

    “You are a new reader or you would know that I love hyperbole. Do I really advocate mass murder, like the Bushies do, even mass murder of the red-staters? No. (I am quite serious, however, that I would be perfectly fine if the red-state dipshits should leave the Union and stop being such a drain on the rest of us.)” – – ->
    Good morning,
    All I know is that words mean things. Hyperbole or not. Now, I do not understand your personal war with Bush. He is now relegated to history, and history will judge him. I also find it odd that you do not mention Obama carrying on the same foreign war policies as Bush. Phase 2 of the Bush plan: Pour troops into Afghanistan … use Paki based Predators to rain terror upon the enemy … and now finding that detainees in Afghanistan do not have Constitutional rights. Obama will be lil’ Bush it seems.

    “It’s an indisputable fact that whenever there is a duly elected Democrat in the White House, the Repugnicans oppose everything the he says and does; and that when there is a Repugnican in the White House, even an unelected one, like there was last time, he can get away with treason and with mass murder, as the last Repugnican did, and should anyone oppose the felonious Repugnican president, the Repugnicans assert that he or she is a traitor because he or she is disagreeing with the president and disagreeing with the president is tantamount to treason.” – – – ->

    Oppose? Checks and balances are not opposition. And when an idea is horrible and stupid and only a government power grab, should it not be opposed?
    Instead of trying to ram rod, the opposing Pubs AND some Dems, were doing what their constituents asked of them. That is there job…they answer to us, not the other way around.

    “You imply that the Obama administration has acted unconstitutionally. Please explain how this is so. The Bush regime certainly violated the U.S. Constitution right and left, and started doing so from the get-go by stealing the presidential election of 2000.” – – – ->

    You imply that Bush acted unconstitutionally. Obama is furthering those same policies as far as war in concerned. Obama is not and will not repeal the Patriot act, will not pull American forces from Iraq, and as mentioned above, involving even more Americans in empire building in Afghanistan. Not to mention the coming attacks on the second Amendment, bank nationalization, etc. So, if your argument is that Bush acted unconstitutionally, Obama is too. Obama is helping Bush expand the empire.

    “No, from the red-staters I get my equal human and civil rights as a gay man trampled upon and from the red-staters I get to have my nation made a global laughing stock because the red-staters still believe that the world is flat and they hate the fact that their president is — gasp! – a black man!” – – – – >

    I find this whole paragraph untrue. There are gays who live in “red states” you know. And, as a person
    who lives in a historically red state, I do not care you are gay. And who is laughing at the US? Europe? They may look upon us as a collective Jethro, but at least we bathe everyday and have not sold out, yet, to a failed political system that should have been left on the scrap heap of history back in the ’80’s. And we Jethro’ did save their ass. Twice.

    “Please, please, PLEASE enlighten me as to what all of these wonderful red-state contributions to the nation are. I’m all ears.” – – – ->

    Couldn’t tell you. Except that manufacturing has left the lib created wasteland of the Dem controlled states and moved south and into the interior west from the left coast. Foreign manufacturing as invested heavily in the south. I live in Ohio, our manufacturing is heading to Dixie. Oppressive taxes and anti business legislation forcing them to move.
    And the future of the core of the “red states” was destroyed by Obama’s idol Lincoln. But that’s for another post and time.

    “If you are implying that the Obama administration is going to wreck the economy, let me remind you of simple, rather recent American history: under Repugnican George Bush I, the economy tanked and there was a record federal budget deficit. Under Democrat Bill Clinton, the economy blossomed and there was a federal budget surplus. The federal budget surplus that George Bush II inherited from Bill Clinton? He turned that into another record federal budget deficit and he wrecked the national economy, just like his daddy did. So DON’T fucking tell me that the Repugnicans, who tank the nation’s economy every time they get their greedy fucking grubbies on it, are the ones to fix it now!” – – – ->

    You know as well as I that Congress signs the checks. Congress, 1994, controlled by Newt and co.
    Goes to show you and me, that a Pub Congress can and does behave fiscally responsibly and did keep Clinton in check. Are you saying that spending 1.2 trillion dollars in this goofy stimulus scheme is responsible? What ever we have inherited, it is a conglomerate of over 50 years of lib control of our Congress, and many terrible lib presidents. From those willing to incarcerate Americans during WWII, to those willing to incinerate thousands in two atomic clouds, to the likes of a doofus like Jimmy Carter. PLENTY of bad policy to pass around.

    “Finally, you assume that I identify as a Democrat. Actually, on November 4, 2008, my choices were down to independent candidate Ralph Nader or to Democrat Barack Obama for U.S. president. I went ahead and voted for Obama, since it was clear that he was going to win all of California’s electoral votes anyway. However, if I could it over, I probably would have cast my vote for Nader. I’m Green at heart. It’s just that the reality is that in our duopolistic political system, the Democrats are the much lesser of two evils.” – – – ->

    All I assume is that you are a liberal at heart. That means numerous parties you could support, not just the Dem’s. But your Bush bashing did point to you being an apostle of the new messiah. You should have listened to your heart. A vote cast for Obama was a wasted vote in my opinion. I could not stand the taste of the used car salesman BO or the lib lite McCain……………….

    Now something interesting. Look at a map of the US which shows “red” and “blue” counties. Its not states we are talking about seceding actually. Its those seeing the death of the American culture at the hands of socialistic government and policies.

  4. robertdcrook

    You’re a so-called “Libertarian,” aren’t you?

    You know, I composed an entire, quite long point-by-point response to your comment but then — maybe I accidentally hit the wrong key — it vanished. There’s no way that I’m pounding all of that out again; I have shit to do today.

    However, there probably is no need. I think that your whole “argument” boils down to just one of your ludicrous phrases: “the death of the American culture at the hands of socialistic government and policies.”

    Hmmm, whose policies for the last eight years have nearly destroyed the American empire? The “socialists'” or the capitalists’?

    So your assertion is that it is even MORE unbridled capitalism (i.e., GREED) that will save the nation — we have to destroy it in order to save it, right?

    The “death of the American culture” is code that means such things as that for the first time in the nation’s history we don’t have a white guy as president and that same-sex couples want to marry.

    Gasp! Rule by stupid white men is slipping! (They were doing such a great job anyway, weren’t they, having brought the nation to the edge of collapse for the first time in its history!?)

    Rule by stupid white men is going to continue to slip, Libby. Get used to it.

    The reason that the red-staters live in such sparsely populated areas — which on the red state-blue state maps gives the incorrect impression that a lot more Americans have the red-state mentality than actually do — is that they prefer to live in tiny little self-contained universes of their own creation in which differences in race, religious belief, political ideology, economic ideology, sexuality, etc., rattle the shit out of them, and in their little isolated red-state enclaves they can feel safe from the big bad world of differences.

    These red-staters want to keep the entire nation mired down in their ignorance and fear and small-mindedness and xenophobia while the rest of the world, perhaps most notably Asia, continues to kick the United States’ ass.

    You and I are not thrilled with Obama, but for very different reasons, so cut out the “brother” bullshit. I think that Obama is not nearly enough to the left and you are a “free-market” fanatic, a fanatic to the point that you are still advocating the system that has nearly destroyed us.

    “Brothers”? No, we are not. We are diametrically opposed to each other.

    Finally, I have to say that it should not be historians who judge George W. Bush, but it should be criminal courts that judge George W. Bush. George W. Bush will never be held to justice like the rest of us commoners would be for our crimes because he is a member of the aristocratic, plutocratic class that you stupidly support because you actually believe their lies that they have your best interests at heart. You’re another “Joe the Plumber” — no? — a stupid white guy who is terrified by the natural evolution of the nation and who thus wishes to stop that evolution and who is terrified over the “death of the American culture [code for rule by stupid white men] at the hands of socialistic government and policies."

    Again, "brother"? No, you are part of the problem, not its solution.

    P.S. In checking my blog's hits just now, I came cross a link to the Facebook page of one Ken Cohen, apparently a.k.a. "B9," who is an obvious Libertarian, given his listing on his Facebook page of Libertarians Bob Barr and Ron Paul as among his idols. Gee, do I know how to call ’em or what?

    Again, the Libertarians tend to be white supremacists and "free-market" fanatics who pose as moderates. I guess they're what's left of Goldwater conservatism.

    I won't be imbibing your Libertarian Kool-Aid, Kenny Boy.

    But thanks for all of the hits that you are delivering to my blog, "brother."

  5. B9

    “You’re a so-called “Libertarian,” aren’t you?”

    Nope.

    “You know, I composed an entire, quite long point-by-point response to your comment but then — maybe I accidentally hit the wrong key — it vanished. There’s no way that I’m pounding all of that out again; I have shit to do today.”

    And some say there is no God!

    “Hmmm, whose policies for the last eight years have nearly destroyed the American empire? The “socialists’” or the capitalists’?”

    I know this. Socialism will destroy the people, agonizingly slowly, but destroy them.

    “So your assertion is that it is even MORE unbridled capitalism (i.e., GREED) that will save the nation — we have to destroy it in order to save it, right?”

    I said nothing about unbridled anything. But capitalism has worked for 230 years. Socialism does not work. It belongs, as I said before, on the scrap heap along with the USSR, a ruined Cuba and the broken state of California.

    “The “death of the American culture” is code that means such things as that for the first time in the nation’s history we don’t have a white guy as president and that same-sex couples want to marry.

    Gasp! Rule by stupid white men is slipping! (They were doing such a great job anyway, weren’t they, having brought the nation to the edge of collapse for the first time in its history!?)”

    I do not speak in code. I find that unethical and not very honest.
    I thought BO was white? And anyway, why is race so important to the left? Its silly. The left needs to look deeper than melanin. Its a shame they limit themselves.
    It was Cali, the people of, that turned down the acceptance of gay marriage. Cali .. of all states. The land of wacky liberalism. It was defeated by the people, take it up with your peers there. That is what we call democracy.

    “The reason that the red-staters live in such sparsely populated areas — which on the red state-blue state maps gives the incorrect impression that a lot more Americans have the red-state mentality than actually do — is that they prefer to live in tiny little self-contained universes of their own creation in which differences in race, religious belief, political ideology, economic ideology, sexuality, etc., rattle the shit out of them, and in their little isolated red-state enclaves they can feel safe from the big bad world of differences.”

    This line of reasoning is faulty. I could say the same, give or take a few prejudices, about the not so sparsely populated areas and their denizens. The fact of the matter is people are individuals and choose to live where they do for a multitude of reasons.

    “These red-staters want to keep the entire nation mired down in their ignorance and fear and small-mindedness and xenophobia while the rest of the world, perhaps most notably Asia, continues to kick the United States’ ass.”

    There’s that term again. Red-staters. As if anti socialist’s all live in the Bible belt. Check out the red and blue counties:
    http://www-personal.umich.edu/~mejn/election/2008/
    Rather eye opening. You can not pidgeon hole the American public or political lines of thought so easily.
    America, limping and injured as she is, is still kicking the worlds ass. I do not see where you get this point. Still the leader even as the lib’s try to tear her down. The world needs our leadership, craves it. When the US, if the US loses that or is kept from fulfilling that quite natural role for the free world, freedom will die. As it has in the large city-states/sanctuary cities. As liberalism has wrecked your state. Very sad indeed.

    “You and I are not thrilled with Obama, but for very different reasons, so cut out the “brother” bullshit. I think that Obama is not nearly enough to the left and you are a “free-market” fanatic, a fanatic to the point that you are still advocating the system that has nearly destroyed us.”

    You lefties will never be able to call yourselves the “big tent” party with speech like that. Lol. A fanatic I am not, just a historian by nature. We have seen it proven over and over again what works, and more gov control over the peoples means is the ultimate failing form of mans government. I know you know this, yet follow the new messiah blindly.

    “Finally, I have to say that it should not be historians who judge George W. Bush, but it should be criminal courts that judge George W. Bush. George W. Bush will never be held to justice like the rest of us commoners would be for our crimes because he is a member of the aristocratic, plutocratic class that you stupidly support because you actually believe their lies that they have your best interests at heart. You’re another “Joe the Plumber” — no? — a stupid white guy who is terrified by the natural evolution of the nation and who thus wishes to stop that evolution and who is terrified over the “death of the American culture [code for rule by stupid white men] at the hands of socialistic government and policies.”

    Again, socialism is a failure. Heap it on the junkpile. What is insanity? Attempting the same failing actions over and over again, and expecting different outcomes. Like beating ones head against the wall.
    Be careful what you wish for ... BO is walking the same course as GW. I would hate to see the One tried for whatever you think GW is guilty of. If GW needs to be tried, you must haul the rest of Congress in too. Now, that would be change I could believe in.

    "Again, “brother”? No, you are part of the problem, not its solution."

    Again, the "big tent" is folding under the weight of such language. Its not very inclusive, and lends a great deal of insight to the emptiness and danger of lib-think.

    "P.S. In checking my blog’s hits just now, I came cross a link to the Facebook page of one Ken Cohen, apparently a.k.a. “B9,” who is an obvious Libertarian, given his listing on his Facebook page of Libertarians Bob Barr and Ron Paul as among his idols. Gee, do I know how to call ’em or what?

    Again, the Libertarians tend to be white supremacists and “free-market” fanatics who pose as moderates. I guess they’re what’s left of Goldwater conservatism.

    I won’t be imbibing your Libertarian Kool-Aid, Kenny Boy."

    If you are implying that I am Kenny, think again Sherlock. You might need to brush up on your detective work. As I have said before in my post, I am not a libertarian, although Ron Paul seems to be more and more correct as time passes. He does have my respect.

    "But thanks for all of the hits that you are delivering to my blog, “brother.”

    My pleasure. I hope I have expanded your rather myopic view of "red state" folks. But then, liberal fascists are not really interested in exchanging ideas. But hope springs eternal for those who have faith outside of DC politicians. Brother.

  6. robertdcrook

    Yeah, whatever, stupid white dude.

    “Socialism” (which to you and your ilk means spending taxpayer dollars on the people instead of on the war profiteers in bogus wars), “liberal fascists,” blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. Bottom line is that stupid white men like you are a dying breed. It’s rather fun to watch you in your death throes.

    Prop 8 passed by a slim margin in California because the Mormon and Catholic churches pumped millions of dollars into a last-minute smear campaign. Anyone who followed the issue at all knows that. (And funny that you wingnuts talk about democracy when you get your way, such as the denying of gay men and lesbians equal civil and human rights, but when you oppose the policies of a president who actually was democratically elected, you call his policies “socialism”; democracy isn’t so great except for when things go your way.) And the Repugnican-dominated (six out of seven justices) California Supreme Court is about to strike Prop 8 down as unconstitutional, just as they struck down as unconstitutional racial discrimination in housing that the state’s voters stupidly passed in the 1960s (Ronald Reagan, who probably is another of your wonderful icons, supported housing discrimination in California, by the way).

    I never claimed that I want to share some “big tent” with retards like you, because I don’t even like sharing the same continent with you and your kind.

    I have given you an ample platform for your Libertarian crap. Start your own Libertarian blog if you haven’t already. (I do see that you are a member of the wingnut Washington Times’ website, http://www.washingtontimes.com/users/Benjamin9/; Kenny Boy is at least an e-associate of yours, no? I mean, there aren’t that many Libertarians out there, so I would be surprised if you aren’t associates. Oh, don’t bother to answer that — because I’m accepting no more comments from you. Because I’m a liberal fascist and all. Whatever it takes to rid the world of stupid white men — “liberal fascism,” “socialism,” whatever you want to call it, count me in!)

    P.S. Your profile on the Times’ website (to which I linked above) is interesting:

    Benjamin9
    Member since July 10, 2008
    Resist any entity which fears free men. To contact me, please email littleperu2412@fuse.net (how to contact Benjamin9).

    OH

    United States

    Conservative

    Applied science, guns, sci-fi, reading.

    Furthering freedoms.

    A gun nut who likes sci-fi…

    Why do you stupid white men, who have been in control of everything in the nation since the nation’s founding, obsess so much about “freedom”? I mean, stupid white men have had more freedom than any other group throughout the nation’s history. That’s historical fact. And stupid white men value “freedom” only for themselves, just as they value democracy only when democracy goes their way.

    Fact is, stupid white men who are gun nuts are just terrified of the day that all of the groups whom they oppressed throughout history turn on them (a day that probably will never come, because we “socialists” are much less violent than are the wingnuts). Thus the stupid white men’s paranoid obsession with guns.

    Michael Moore covered the phenomenon of the paranoid gun nut, who almost without exception is a stupid white man, quite well in “Bowling for Columbine.”

    Americans have much more to fear from paranoid stupid white men who own arsenals than they have to fear from the groups of people whom the stupid white men historically oppressed who only want their equal civil and human rights that were guaranteed to them more than 200 years ago.

    But rest assured, stupid white dude who loves guns and “Star Trek,” that I am a full supporter of the Second Amendment, because the day when we sane Americans will have to protect ourselves from white supremacist gun-toting nuts like you probably isn’t that far off.

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